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January 5th, 2009 at 17:45:22 Personally, I have done some reading and I've talked to people who have left the gay lifestyle for good!!! It was really cool. I don't know - maybe you haven't heard both sides of the issue. But I would encourage you to check it out!
January 5th, 2009 at 18:08:21 Well, you're definitely entitled to your own opinions! It is a fundamental difference stemming from the fact that - I know this is touchy, I'm not trying to hate, just saying what I believe - I believe homosexuality is both rectifiable and morally wrong. All differences stem from this one. See what I'm saying? While I respect your position, I must disagree. Can I encourage you to actually research the gay gene and those who've come out of the gay community?
January 5th, 2009 at 18:31:20 When I was young, knowing about things like rape would have been like putting a heavy burden on my shoulders that I didn't need. Personally, I don't want my children growing up so quickly; there is always more evil in the world, you know? I want them to value their innocence. Many parents feel this way- hence the passing of prop 8. If children are exposed to mature subjects early on, though, I would rather them make their own moral decisions without the help of a biased school curriculum.
January 5th, 2009 at 18:54:19 What is this 'gay agenda' I've heard mentioned so many times? Do tell! (When did xg1995 or I mention God or a supreme being?)
January 5th, 2009 at 19:17:18 If it would be honestly 'un-biased' curriculum, they'd be talking about ALL sides of the issues. Like, in sex-ed, kids are taught abstinence, but also about condoms and birth control. You think teaching tolerance in elementary school is too early? Are you afraid that your child will come home with questions you don't feel comfortable answering? It's your right to pull your child out of public school, no one is taking that away, amorestvitaessentia.
January 5th, 2009 at 19:40:17 First of all, those children aren't always adopted. Lesbians can give birth to kids, it's called a sperm bank. And even if a child is 'just' adopted, they could have been adopted at birth and remember no other parents other than their gay ones. Is it any fairer to deny a child without ANY parents TWO parents because of sexual orientation than it would be to deny them parents because of skin color? Also, my biological father is gay. Growing up with THREE dads has been wonderful for me.
January 5th, 2009 at 20:03:16 The solution you propose will take away the opportunity of hundreds of children to grow up in a loving family. Second, I really think is wrong to take away rights from people just because a group differs on what is good and what it isn´t, especially if the disagreement is about something that doesn´t harm anybody and is just a concept that will include more people and that it will not change yours.
January 5th, 2009 at 20:26:15 yeah I know, I didn´t explain very well! what I meant was every is going against the lds chruch because of prop 8 and saying that the church took away thier rights...well how long have other churches taken away other peoples rights and no1 said anything about it? ya know what I mean now?
January 5th, 2009 at 20:49:14 In my opinion, it all comes down to what you believe is right or wrong. I believe homosexuality, theft, rape, and murder are all wrong. If discrimination is wrong period (and keeping the gay agenda out of schools is discrimination), why aren't we also sympathetic toward kids whose parents are in prison? They get picked on too, you know. Why not expose school kids to prison life? If you reject accountability to a supreme being, though, you act as God and determine your own truth.
January 5th, 2009 at 21:12:13 xg - I can see you have a long history with this issue, and your heart's been really touched by these kids who are shunned because of choices not their own. I've not seen this, but I'm sure it could get awkward!! But you know, there are no children from same-sex couples. Men with men cannot give life; a lesbian couple can't make babies. These children are always adopted. If we could stop gay couples from adopting, the discrimination you talk about would go away, wouldn't it?
January 5th, 2009 at 21:35:12 Growing up, i went to a catholic school , one of my classmates was expelled from school because his parents get divorced. Children of same sex parents are discriminated every day. Do you think that this type of things are ok? Maybe we should put these type of children in special schooles so the rest will be safe of their evil influence. Better yet, we should wrap every kid in a plastic bubble so they won´t experience anything until 18. We shouldn´t allow discrimination, period
January 5th, 2009 at 21:58:11 I saw it and it's not offensive at all.
January 5th, 2009 at 22:21:10 Well, the first thing that comes to mind is school. If prop 8 had not passed, if gay marriage had been legalized, public schools even on the elementary level would have had to 'un-bias' their curriculum against gay/lesbian viewpoints. ('Heather has Two Mommies' kind of thing, if you've heard of that.) That's all fine if you're for gay marriage, but if you're against it, if you think it's wrong morally like ch/o LDS does, you're left with no choice but to withdraw your child from school.
January 5th, 2009 at 22:44:09 ? That made no sense...
January 5th, 2009 at 23:07:08 I do see where you're coming from with that, but I still think it's kinda rich to hear people who sell discriminatory laws that REMOVE rights from a group of people by using smiling children in their adds ... talking about how below-the-belt the add in this vid was. And what danger are our children in, specifically? (I don't mean any ill-will towards you personally, I just want to hear your opinions.)
January 5th, 2009 at 23:30:07 you can so tell that these newscasters are wearing their magic underwear.
January 6th, 2009 at 23:53:06 GaryA, the reason for Christian opposition to prop 8 IS our children, the next generation. For ourselves, we have firm moral standards - we know where we stand and what we believe - and it's only natural that we want to pass them on to our children. See, we're not the ones in danger - they are! I think this is the answer to your question.
January 6th, 2009 at 00:16:05 what kind of freakin comercial is that??????? okay so when other churches take away rights from people no1 says anything!!!! cause it´s "natural"...please and bytheway not everywhere allowed gay marriage way b4 prop 8!!!!
January 6th, 2009 at 00:39:04 The point of the commercial, from what I can tell is to hit the Mormons back. Simple. They scream bigotry when the dish it out behind false smiles and glossy eyes. They deserve the ridicule, though, so do all religious organizations who think that homosexuality is a sin.
January 6th, 2009 at 01:02:03 Most of the adds Ive seen used in Yes on 8 use CHILDREN in them. How is using kids in a political add deemed ok by the general public, but demonstrating what a law will literally do to real live people cause for rumpus and statements?
January 6th, 2009 at 01:25:02 They didn't sue to get use of a priest. If God is so powerful, surely every gay and lesbian who sets foot on 'holy ground' will be struck down by His will, and you have nothing to worry about? I'm not saying it's right, but renting a space to get married isn't asking all that much, is it? If someone paid me enough, they could get married in my living room, as long as they didn't spill anything!
January 6th, 2009 at 01:48:01 the religious institution itself is tax exempt but not any services that extend from it such marrying gronds or other businesses. I think you people should have the freedom to get a license but it just cant be the same one because of legal reasons. however it is completly equal under california law and should not be seen as otherwise. best wishes, ace
January 6th, 2009 at 02:11:00 A religious institution, as I'm aware, is tax-exempt, and is permitted, by law, to refuse service to anyone. You ever see those signs in liquor stores? Yeah, think that. Catholics will not marry those who have not been sanctified by the catholic church. Mormons will not marry two people unless both are Mormon. See what I'm getting at? The ability to refuse a gay marriage is already there. To be honest, we don't want to FORCE people to marry us. Just the license Warm Regards, George
January 6th, 2009 at 02:33:59 NO, they will not. Like you said before, there are laws to protect religious freedom. And YES, rights were taken away. First gay people had the right to get married, then they didn't. What do you call that? Personally, I think it's awful that these churches/christians are using religion as an excuse to discriminate and deny people their rights. I'm not a christian, but from what I can understand it's supposed to be about love and fairness. Prop 8 is pretty much the opposite of that.
January 6th, 2009 at 02:56:58 no ones rights were taken away. prop 8 was for defending rights. the judges decision creates precident in the law which realy matters in common law matters. since marriage is a common law institutuion it is very dangerous. under our current descrimination laws if it has the same definition legaly you can not treat it differently despite religious practices. so people can be sued and will be if they over turn prop 8